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Nigel e Thom sulla decisione di togliere Amok, Eraser e gli Ultraista da Spotify:

Anyway. Here's one. We're off of spotify.. Can't do that no more man.. Small meaningless rebellion. Someone gotta say something. It's bad for new music.. This is just eraser and amok and ultraista..

The reason is that new artists get paid fuck all with this model.. It's an equation that just doesn't work. The music industry is being taken over by the back door.. and if we don't try and make it fair for new music producers and artists.....then the art will suffer. Make no mistake. These are all the same old industry bods trying to get a stranglehold on the delivery system..The numbers don't even add up for spotify yet..

But it's not about that.. It's about establishing the model which will be extremely valuable Meanwhile small labels and new artists can't even keep their lights on. It's just not right Plus people are scared to speak up or not take part as they are told they will lose invaluable exposure if they don't play ball. Meanwhile.. Millions of streams gets them a few thousand dollars.. Not like radio at all..

Anyway. Thems the breaks. Opinions welcome.. but discussion and new thinking necessary.. If you have a massive catalogue - a major label.....for example.. then you're quids in. It's money for old rope.. But making new recorded music needs funding.. Some records can be made in .... a laptop, but some need musician and skilled technicians.. These things cost money.. Pink floyds catalogue has already generated billions .. of dollars for someone(not necessarily the band) so now putting it on a streaming site makes total sense..

But if people had been ....listening to spotify instead of buying records in 1973... I doubt very much if dark side would have been made.. It would just be too ....expensive. Anyway thumbs hurting now... wink.gif This is about new music producers and the future of recorded music.. I think the point is - that streaming suits catalogue.. But cannot work as a way of supporting new artists work.. Spotify and the like .. ..either have to address that fact and change the model for new releases or else all new music producers should be bold and vote with....their feet. They have no power without new music..

Thom:

Make no mistake new artists you discover on #Spotify will no get paid. meanwhile shareholders will shortly being rolling in it. Simples. “your small meaningless rebellion is only hurting your fans ... a drop in the bucket really”? No we're standing up for our fellow musicians

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oggi prosegue thom+nigel VS spotify con questo twitt di thom:

Thom Yorke@thomyorke 1h

for me In Rainbows was a statement of trust .people still value new music ..that's all we'd like from Spotify. don't make us the target.

adoro!

era un po' che non succedeva niente di 'rebellious' nella musica, proprio dai tempi di in rainbows (cui io diedi, se non ricordo male 7 pounds -uno per ogni rh + 1 per stanley ed 1 per nigel per lo scarico- e poi mi comprai il paccazzo, che credo sia ancora intonso somewhere)

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Copio/incollo il mio commento sulla faccenda da una discussione su Facebook.

E' un discussione molto complicata, ed e' difficile capire tutto il quadro per chi non si occupa di queste cose giornalmente. Innanzitutto non e' vero che "i nuovi artisti vengono pagati" - la frase puo' essere mal interpretata. I nuovi artisti vengono pagati esattamente quando gli artisti affermati per singolo stream. Servono piu' o meno 1000 streams nel Regno Unito per generare gli stessi ricavi di un album. E per un nuovo artista sconosciuto e' difficile generare milioni di streams essendo, appunto, sconosciuto.

L'ipotesi di fondo della critica di TY e' che se l'album di un nuovo artista e' su Spotify allora implicitamente l'album (CD o download digitale) sara' venduto in quantita' inferiori (c.d. cannibalizzazione delle vendite). Questo e' tutto da dimostrare: a livello macro e micro, non ci sono segni di questo consumer behaviour nel mercato. Al contrario piu' scoperta di musica "a costo zero" per il consumatore che ama la musica significa piu' vendite di musica registrata e live.

Sono sempre stato e sono un enorme fan del cervello libero pensatore di Thom ed e' comunque giusto che lui ponga la questione. Il music business si salvera' e tornera' a fiorire al 100% se ci sara' un equilibrio di lungo periodo tra retailers, industria e artisti. Al momento probabilmente un equilibrio non e' stato ancora raggiunto, il che significa che e' possibilche che £10 al mese per l'accesso a TUTTA LA MUSICA MAI REGISTRATA potrebbero essere troppo pochi.

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Ho voglia di Radiohead, voglia di ascoltare qualcosa di nuovo, di essere stupito.

Sto ascoltando molto Il Re e devo dire che in parte mi è salito, sto guardando molti video del periodo e sono assai curioso sulle svolte future che il quintetto potrebbe avere.

A Settembre si ritrovano in studio vero?

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